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		<title>By: megan</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-40550</link>
		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Judith, I don't have vertical slats of the kind you see on most decks, mine are more like solid walls and they don't have the kind of strength I can attach much to. But I'm looking at it as a possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Judith, I don't have vertical slats of the kind you see on most decks, mine are more like solid walls and they don't have the kind of strength I can attach much to. But I'm looking at it as a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-40541</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case you didn't think of it (you surely did!) the sedge or other grass matting in rolls can be attached to the vertical iron or wood slats, even if there are no posts.  I have a similar problem to yours--a fishbowl situation--and I am considering the matting. Judith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case you didn't think of it (you surely did!) the sedge or other grass matting in rolls can be attached to the vertical iron or wood slats, even if there are no posts.  I have a similar problem to yours--a fishbowl situation--and I am considering the matting. Judith</p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-39264</link>
		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can picture what you're talking about, but my deck doesn't have posts the way most decks do. Know that I went out to the deck and gave it a good few minutes of consideration, it might work but I don't have all that many spots to lash it to... and at that point I start to think there must be an easier solution.

Next year we're going to see about creating a frame around the deck so we can grow things up the sides and hang lights, but this year we really have to get some things planted in the front yard, it's looking terribly barren.

I appreciate the suggestion, it has me thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can picture what you're talking about, but my deck doesn't have posts the way most decks do. Know that I went out to the deck and gave it a good few minutes of consideration, it might work but I don't have all that many spots to lash it to... and at that point I start to think there must be an easier solution.</p>
<p>Next year we're going to see about creating a frame around the deck so we can grow things up the sides and hang lights, but this year we really have to get some things planted in the front yard, it's looking terribly barren.</p>
<p>I appreciate the suggestion, it has me thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-39252</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan,

I recently saw a site selling bamboo matting (I think in 13 ft X 30 inch segments) for attaching to fences for enhanced privacy and aesthetic beauty, designed to be attached around the deck posts with heavy black cord.  Looked very simple. The Japanese also attach sedge or other grass matting in this fashion. Judith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan,</p>
<p>I recently saw a site selling bamboo matting (I think in 13 ft X 30 inch segments) for attaching to fences for enhanced privacy and aesthetic beauty, designed to be attached around the deck posts with heavy black cord.  Looked very simple. The Japanese also attach sedge or other grass matting in this fashion. Judith</p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-39242</link>
		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kris!

Judith - Essentially there isn't a way to easily attach a bamboo screen with out doing some work with major tools, all stuff I don't have time for until next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kris!</p>
<p>Judith - Essentially there isn't a way to easily attach a bamboo screen with out doing some work with major tools, all stuff I don't have time for until next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-39206</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the idea of putting some sort of bamboo woven fencing/screen material along the railing, on the inside, for privacy? Judith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the idea of putting some sort of bamboo woven fencing/screen material along the railing, on the inside, for privacy? Judith</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-38049</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a deck more private with tomato plants.  They only need a 12" pot to grow in, grow tall, and you get tomatoes.  Should be able to find plants already started at your garden store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a deck more private with tomato plants.  They only need a 12" pot to grow in, grow tall, and you get tomatoes.  Should be able to find plants already started at your garden store.</p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anybody reading this far down I wanted to share what I found today: these &lt;a href="http://www.gardeners.com/Railing-Flower-Planters/default/StandardCatalog.PotsPlanters_Windowboxes.18408.cpd?SC=XNET8035" rel="nofollow"&gt;deck rail planters&lt;/a&gt;, at Fred Meyer. While they aren't the greatest looking the Loden color isn't too bad, and there is no installation needed as they sit like a saddle over the rail. We might use these this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anybody reading this far down I wanted to share what I found today: these <a href="http://www.gardeners.com/Railing-Flower-Planters/default/StandardCatalog.PotsPlanters_Windowboxes.18408.cpd?SC=XNET8035" rel="nofollow">deck rail planters</a>, at Fred Meyer. While they aren't the greatest looking the Loden color isn't too bad, and there is no installation needed as they sit like a saddle over the rail. We might use these this year.</p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
		<link>http://www.notmartha.org/archives/2007/06/04/feeling-danerously-clueless/#comment-37279</link>
		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serena and Diane - Thanks for all the details, I do appreciate it. Right now I cannot attach a trellis to the deck, I really couldn't do it unless we put up posts in the corners and added beams overhead, and I simply don't have the tools or the time to do that this season (next year maybe). I took a wander around a nice nursery in town recently and I think for now window boxes mounted on the deck rail planted with grasses for height and some lower growing plants or trailing plants to fill in the visuals will do the trick. We went to create the illusion of privacy, but we know we won't be able to create actual privacy without some more work.

Iona - Thanks for the follow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serena and Diane - Thanks for all the details, I do appreciate it. Right now I cannot attach a trellis to the deck, I really couldn't do it unless we put up posts in the corners and added beams overhead, and I simply don't have the tools or the time to do that this season (next year maybe). I took a wander around a nice nursery in town recently and I think for now window boxes mounted on the deck rail planted with grasses for height and some lower growing plants or trailing plants to fill in the visuals will do the trick. We went to create the illusion of privacy, but we know we won't be able to create actual privacy without some more work.</p>
<p>Iona - Thanks for the follow up.</p>
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		<title>By: iona</title>
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		<dc:creator>iona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I soaked them - they hold water so well that I only have to water once or twice a week, even if they're in full sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I soaked them - they hold water so well that I only have to water once or twice a week, even if they're in full sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I took the time to read carefully. You haven't got a lot of floor space ... so ... what about this - You attach a trellis to the side, like others have mentioned. Put it on the outside of the deck, of course, since you want the 6" of space to attach containers. 

Get a trellis that's tall enough for you to overlap at least 3' below the railing so you're not worrying about wind knocking it over once it's full of plant growth. 

There are different kinds of trellises - I personally like the ones that use a square lattice rather than the diagonal lattice. Cedar looks great when it's new but it can start to look pretty shabby after a couple of seasons so you might consider plastic.

You said you were considering planting ficus in the corners of the deck, so what about putting a climber in a large pot in a corner that you can eventually train up to the corner of the lattice? 

In the meantime you can pretty up the lattice with fairy lights and some smaller flowers in cheap plastic window boxes attached to the railing. If you can't find a box hanger, you could use zip ties and wrap a couple around the top of the box and under the railing. Plant some hanging plants in there and they'll cover up the ties in no time.

Here's another thought - how high off the ground is your deck? Have you got some room between the bottom of the deck and your property line to plant a climbing vine there? You'll get a lot more growth out of something that's allowed deep roots. Evergreen climbers like star jasmine or potato vines could be planted in the ground and trained up to reach your trellis creating an unholy wall of green privacy.

Keep in mind where your sun is coming from so you don't lose any precious rays!

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I took the time to read carefully. You haven't got a lot of floor space ... so ... what about this - You attach a trellis to the side, like others have mentioned. Put it on the outside of the deck, of course, since you want the 6" of space to attach containers. </p>
<p>Get a trellis that's tall enough for you to overlap at least 3' below the railing so you're not worrying about wind knocking it over once it's full of plant growth. </p>
<p>There are different kinds of trellises - I personally like the ones that use a square lattice rather than the diagonal lattice. Cedar looks great when it's new but it can start to look pretty shabby after a couple of seasons so you might consider plastic.</p>
<p>You said you were considering planting ficus in the corners of the deck, so what about putting a climber in a large pot in a corner that you can eventually train up to the corner of the lattice? </p>
<p>In the meantime you can pretty up the lattice with fairy lights and some smaller flowers in cheap plastic window boxes attached to the railing. If you can't find a box hanger, you could use zip ties and wrap a couple around the top of the box and under the railing. Plant some hanging plants in there and they'll cover up the ties in no time.</p>
<p>Here's another thought - how high off the ground is your deck? Have you got some room between the bottom of the deck and your property line to plant a climbing vine there? You'll get a lot more growth out of something that's allowed deep roots. Evergreen climbers like star jasmine or potato vines could be planted in the ground and trained up to reach your trellis creating an unholy wall of green privacy.</p>
<p>Keep in mind where your sun is coming from so you don't lose any precious rays!</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Megan,

Are you thinking window boxes because you don't have a lot of space for planters right on the deck? Sorry if I missed this - I admit I didn't read all the comments. 

In my experience, baskest/boxes/anything that hangs on a rail is best for short plants or things that will hang down. They can look really pretty but I am having a hard time imagining how you would use them to create much privacy or block noise.

We bought large planters for one side of our deck that faces the neighbors' house and planted black bamboo in it last fall. As it's been getting warmer we've finally got new culms sprouting up and they are about 9' tall now! Bamboo is only going to get as big as the container will allow, so putting bamboo in a window box is not going to be very satisfying. Our containers are about 24 inches high and maybe about the same across.

I've been giving them some miracle grow and watering regularly and they are happy. The fertilizing is important since they quickly suck up the nutrients in the pot. Not only are they creating a beautiful, living screen from the house next door - when the breeze blows there is a lovely rustling of leaves.

If you don't want something quite that tall you can still use bamboo but snip the tops off. Once it's cut it can't grow any higher. And when it's confined in a pot of course you can use any variety you want - it doesn't have to be the clumping kind. 

I hope that's helpful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Megan,</p>
<p>Are you thinking window boxes because you don't have a lot of space for planters right on the deck? Sorry if I missed this - I admit I didn't read all the comments. </p>
<p>In my experience, baskest/boxes/anything that hangs on a rail is best for short plants or things that will hang down. They can look really pretty but I am having a hard time imagining how you would use them to create much privacy or block noise.</p>
<p>We bought large planters for one side of our deck that faces the neighbors' house and planted black bamboo in it last fall. As it's been getting warmer we've finally got new culms sprouting up and they are about 9' tall now! Bamboo is only going to get as big as the container will allow, so putting bamboo in a window box is not going to be very satisfying. Our containers are about 24 inches high and maybe about the same across.</p>
<p>I've been giving them some miracle grow and watering regularly and they are happy. The fertilizing is important since they quickly suck up the nutrients in the pot. Not only are they creating a beautiful, living screen from the house next door - when the breeze blows there is a lovely rustling of leaves.</p>
<p>If you don't want something quite that tall you can still use bamboo but snip the tops off. Once it's cut it can't grow any higher. And when it's confined in a pot of course you can use any variety you want - it doesn't have to be the clumping kind. </p>
<p>I hope that's helpful!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have plastic window boxes lining our cement patio - and like others said, you could always go to Lowe's and get a plastic (this would be my recommendation!) lattice screen, and a plastic windowbox on the ground in front of it.  Then grow morning glories (I am trying moonflowers once again, but I can't ever get them to grow for me!-in the past)  One thing I do strongly recommend for window boxes, and all planters - we put stones in the bottom for drainage, well, we found that putting them in nylon bags (like the onion bags) makes them a WHOLE lot easier to clean up at the end of the year, and also when replanting them next year.  We have used the bags of stones, and the plastic planters over and over here in Michigan.  Good Luck!  Diane-dcarlson11553@sbcglobal.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have plastic window boxes lining our cement patio - and like others said, you could always go to Lowe's and get a plastic (this would be my recommendation!) lattice screen, and a plastic windowbox on the ground in front of it.  Then grow morning glories (I am trying moonflowers once again, but I can't ever get them to grow for me!-in the past)  One thing I do strongly recommend for window boxes, and all planters - we put stones in the bottom for drainage, well, we found that putting them in nylon bags (like the onion bags) makes them a WHOLE lot easier to clean up at the end of the year, and also when replanting them next year.  We have used the bags of stones, and the plastic planters over and over here in Michigan.  Good Luck!  <a href="mailto:Diane-dcarlson11553@sbcglobal.net">Diane-dcarlson11553@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iona - Did you soak the coco fiber in the haymarket baskets before you filled them?

Illek - Thanks for the tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iona - Did you soak the coco fiber in the haymarket baskets before you filled them?</p>
<p>Illek - Thanks for the tip!</p>
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		<title>By: illek</title>
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		<dc:creator>illek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only advice I can give is to line your planters with newspaper.  This is the first year I have ever done so and it is amazing the difference it makes.  I water my planters and baskets half as often.  I did half and half this year and the newspaper lined baskets only need water *at most* every other day so far.  I was shocked at the difference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only advice I can give is to line your planters with newspaper.  This is the first year I have ever done so and it is amazing the difference it makes.  I water my planters and baskets half as often.  I did half and half this year and the newspaper lined baskets only need water *at most* every other day so far.  I was shocked at the difference!</p>
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